Love at First Swipe: Olivia and Kelly Unfiltered

What happens when a single swipe rewrites your entire future? Olivia and Kelly didn't just fall in love-they leapt headfirst, marrying only months after meeting online and choosing to share their story with the world.

In this conversation, we delve beyond social media fame and the age-gap curiosity to uncover the private truths and what it means to carry love in public, as well as how two women are reshaping what queer relationships look like.

This isn't just about a viral couple. It's about risk, resilience, and the radical act of loving out loud.

Transcript

Quincy: 0:02

Hi guys. Welcome back to the show. I am interviewing a couple tonight. Their names are Olivia and Kelly. Some of you may already know them as an age gap lesbian couple on Instagram and TikTok, and I think between. Both of those platforms, they have several, several hundred thousand followers that tune in basically daily to see what Olivia and Kelly are up to. Olivia works from home, Kelly's teacher, and they fell in love during the pandemic and within weeks they were seeing each other in person. Within months, they had moved in together and shortly thereafter decided to get married. And they're a really sweet couple. You're gonna enjoy them. I ask them what it's like to be more than a symbol and more than an idea to simply just be two women in love. And I want you guys to tune in and listen to the rest of this episode and see what you think. It's an invitation for all of us to rethink what love can actually look like when you are 19 years apart. So enjoy. Okay. Hi, Olivia and Kelly, thank you so much for joining us on Cocoon After Dark tonight. And um, firstly, I just wanted to say thank you so much for bringing your story to light with age gap with lesbians, with the whole story behind what it's like to be queer, especially in this day and age, and continuing to show up every day, right? Whether it's in your personal lives, you know, going out in public or whether it's online. I really, really do deeply appreciate the, um, the visibility that you're giving.

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you.

Quincy: 1:51

firstly, I just wanted to say thank you so much for bringing your story to light with age gap with lesbians, with the whole story behind what it's like to be queer, especially in this day and age, and continuing to show up every day, right? Whether it's in your personal lives, you know, going out in public or whether it's online. I really do deeply appreciate the the visibility that you're giving.

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you.

Kelly: 2:19

And

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That means a lot. Thank

Speaker 2: 2:21

you for your bravery. Thank you so much. Oh, you're welcome. So the first question I had was, Olivia, let's start with your later in life embracing coming out as queer. And I don't even know, I'm in the same like Gen Z groupings as Kelly. So for you as a 30-year-old woman, I have a daughter that's 33. What is it like

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I

Speaker 2: 2:49

come out,

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been very lucky when I was 33 when I don't know I've talked about this on different videos, but I just had this feeling that I wouldn't be true to myself if I didn't explore this inkling that I had. That's like the best way that I can describe it. And we've also been open about the fact that we're very fortunate, like both of our families were very accepting. We didn't face any of the horrible things that we know a lot of people will watch us have faced or just anybody out there who had any backlash from their families. But so I had a very good experience with that. But it's very interesting, especially being later in life and like I was with men before. So you get people saying oh, then you're bi. Yeah. Like, you're bisexual. You know what I mean? Like, so you must be, no, you're confused because you're with those guys. So you must have, you must just be bi like you're not a lesbian. And I just think it's interesting that people, I mean, it's, that's what's gonna happen when you put yourself out there on social media anyway is you invite that kind of feedback, I guess, or criticism and it doesn't bother me. It just, it makes me, you know, it incites a conversation. So it was very interesting. My ex-boyfriend and I had just happened to break up at the time. It was not because of my sexuality or anything like that, but I just thought like, okay, now is the time. And he and I had been together almost six years. So I was like, now is the time that I can see if this is actually true. You know what I mean? That was my experience, but it's also interesting. Coming out later in life and also presenting the way I present, if you feel me, because I'm more of a feminine presenting woman. And I think it's like I have to come out to everybody all the time. Yeah. Constantly. It's constantly, not that I'm making it well known or I'm, you know, just like if I had a husband, I wouldn't be like my husband. But it's just always so funny to see people's faces. Like when they're like, oh, and you know, are you married? I'm like, oh yeah, my wife does this. And just to see their, whether, and it's not necessarily a negative reaction, it's just like something in their eyes. Yeah. Yeah. So it was interesting. What's that? No, I was just gonna, it's

Speaker 3: 5:05

but I think it's

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experience too, because inwardly you have to think like, oh my gosh. Okay, did that mean something like when I was with that guy and I didn't like physical touch or, you know what I mean? Like, or do, what was that about? I'm a very I'm an overthinker. I ruminate a lot. And it's kind of like just having to discover a new part of yourself because you can also gaslight yourself into thinking I I am right. Like I am. I know. I'm,

Quincy: 5:34

right no, I was, I hear you and I hear you because I came out, I was married before to a man that was my best friend, and, but I had known since I was like 10 that I was gay. But I didn't know that you could be gay, and the people that I knew were gay were not.

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yes.

Speaker 2: 5:53

At that time my type, if you will. So when you say that you, it's like you have to keep coming out over and over again. I also feel it's very important for people to see all the different types of lesbians there are. Instead of putting people in a box like Kelly and I were sort of put in right when we were younger, that you can only be this super like, tomboy, butchy, hard friends with boys kind of thing when there were so many more nuances and it's continued like to be that

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Yeah. And it's like, I made a video talking about this the other day where I was like, I literally just did not see any femme lesbians growing up. Like, I just never, like, I had a friend in elementary school, and he had two moms, but like, they were both very masculine presenting. They had very short hair. They dressed sporty. And I was always like, I just, I don't, I just had never seen, I didn't know that. You could be. And then I watched the L word.

Speaker 3: 6:53

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 6:54

And I remember when my mom would get like the new Sears catalog or the JC Penny catalog, talking about seriously dating myself and like going right to the bra section. And I know some of it was like boob envy because I, my boobs were like so small at the time. But at the same time I was like, my God, this is beautiful. Like, we didn't know that turned on was a word, but you were looking at that catalog right? Going

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Oh my.

Speaker 2: 7:16

Oh my gosh. And then when Victoria's Secrets came out and I was married to a, I was like, oh my God, they sent this to me.'cause they know I'm gay.

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That's so funny.

Speaker 2: 7:25

So much for this Kelly, like what was your experience being? Were you always gay? Were you with men? Are you

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star. Gold star. I mean, I knew from day one that I was gay. I had a crush on my second grade teacher. Okay, so you growing up like in the seventies and eighties, and I'm like I'm not like anyone else. So I'm not gonna say anything. So it's like, yeah, I dated boys. Not, you know, serious relation. Nah, not really. It's just like, I have to go through this, but it was just like, as soon as anything physical, it's like, oh, no, cut that off. So yeah, it was just like, it wasn't really a choice. Like, none of my friends were gay. Like I didn't know anyone that was gay. Yeah. And then like, I really, we were talking about this yesterday and like when I was like 26, 27, finally I'm like. I'm gay, I'm like in, but like at 30 I'm like, I had my first serious relationship and I was married and you know, it didn't end well. To a woman. To a woman. And you know, she, either way it ended not a great relationship. But you know, like at 30, like we're talking about Ellen, the Ellen Show and her coming out episode. I'm like, I remember sitting in my apartment watching that and I'm just like, oh my God. Like that. This is huge. So yeah, 30. And then, you know, after my marriage ended, I'm like, no more. I, like, I don't I don't wanna get date or date like that. I don't wanna get treated like this again. Like, I'm like, just shut down. And like, literally it was 12 years until I like finally went. I'm like, oh, okay, I gotta put myself out there or something. So I went on some dating apps and, you know, I went on like two dates. I'm like. Ish. No. And then I downloaded Bumble, and then she was literally the first profile that came up. And I'm like, yes, please. I've like dropped it. Like once we started talking, we talked for the entire day. We exchanged numbers, we talked, you know, for two weeks. And it was just like how, why after 12 years did I finally think to put myself out there? And then she's coming out of this relationship and going, Hey, good timing. I think I wanna date women. So it was just like, I don't believe in fate and all that, but it was just like something in the Aligned. Aligned. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, very much.

Speaker 2: 9:54

Yeah, like quite serendipitous, but. Oh my gosh. So in, thinking back to the pandemic and you both hopping online at the same time on Bumble, which is a phenomenal app people were rewired, to connect and to disconnect, right? Like when we look at our kids and our middle schools and things like that, it's very much a disconnection. But for those of us that are older, right? It became an instant way to connect with people, especially Kelly and I's age group from, I mean, gosh, if they would've had this when we were 18 and 19, holy crap, our lives would've been a lot different, but thank gosh everyone else has it. And we can sort of live vicariously through what it's like to be very young on these apps and things like that. But as you matched with Olivia and obviously age pops up and things like that, what was like your initial thing? Like, oh, this is not a real person on the other end. Like, are they tricking me or did you like

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Did you think I

Speaker 2: 10:50

this was

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I really didn't because I did have some experiences like, you know, it's like you start talking, then it's, you know, several conversations. It's like, oh, I'm having this financial issue, and I'm like, okay, delete, delete. So I asking for money and stuff, like, yeah, asking for money and you know, just. Ridiculous. But like it, I never thought that with her. Like never from the very be like we talked that entire day. She was at a training, I was doing my taxes. And like we just literally like fun facts. Yeah, fun facts. But very romantic. I never thought of it. Like you didn't think I was very leery like going into it. I was leery of, I know what the signs are when, you know, somebody starts to ask for money or, you know, I know the signs that pop up, but nothing did. I didn't really pay attention to the age. And I'm just like it's just a number. So I'm like, it didn't really, it didn't phase me. Like I didn't, and just in speaking with her, just that day, like going into the next day, I am just like, I need to continue talking to this woman. Like, I really So you never thought I was like, I never thought No. Yeah. That's good. No. So yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:53

Yeah it's kind of interesting how I think in an older age, not just the gap, but just like as an older person online, it's very, I think it's easier for us to kind of filter out those people that are sort of not the real people or what have you, but also pay attention to, you know, are they looking for money? Are they looking someone to rescue them? That sort of thing, you know, out of whatever their misery is and things like that. But you guys found each other online. What made you think that this match cut through everything else? Like what is that one thing that stopped you from renewing, stopped.

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for me, because I was the first person, like she said that she matched with. Yeah. On Bumble, not so much with me. Like I had a couple of experiences where I had gone on a couple dates with a couple women and just weird situations where it's now looking back, I'm like, oh. That was this woman's husband talking to me. You know, like trying to get a weird, like three, three something. So there was some weird situations that I was too new to everything to really protect myself from at the time. But then when I started talking to Kelly, she was just very, and she is, she was just very straightforward. She wasn't playing games. She just told me her intention. She was like, I really like you. I wanna keep talking to you. And no offense to some men, but that's not always easy to come by with. You know, sometimes dating men, it's like they don't, you know, in my experience. But she was very straightforward with this, I like you, I wanna do this. I'm gonna come visit you. And I was like, yeah, like, she's gonna drive eight hours. Yeah. She's gonna drive eight hours. And like, that doesn't sound right. Like that just doesn't make sense. But she did. And then here we are today. But yeah, it just, she stood out because she was just clear. And no games. She didn't mess around. No.

Quincy: 13:45

So how many days was it in between the first message? Did you phone numbers then see each

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first day that we started talking, because I think I was like, you know what, why are we on here? Let's just talk. Let's, yeah. Yeah. And then we literally, I finally got her like on the physical phone, like, I'm hate to be on the phone. I'm a person to talk on the phone. I like you know, I finally, we were texting for probably like a week, and then we finally had a phone call and it was literally two weeks. And like, and she was like, I'm gonna come visit you. And I truly, I promise you I did not believe that was true. Like, I was like, there's not, she's not doing that. Yeah. Because she lives, it's like almost eight hours from where we are in Maryland where we live and to where she's from. Yeah. I mean, yeah. And it was like, I remember driving here the first time and I, it took me a route like, not through New York, but like kind of on the outskirts. And I'm just looking around and I'm just like. You know, I've lived in the same place for so long. You know, I haven't, don't, you know, since COVID not, it's not like I did a lot of traveling before, but like, I'm just driving. Yeah. And I'm like, I need to get like up and out of my situation and I'm just like, on the drive here. And then, yeah. And I got here and I texted, I'm like, Hey, I'm here. I was like, and she's like, what? I still, at that point I was like, no, she's, there's no way. Yeah. Like, like outta both of our like that's not happening. Yeah. Like, we're not, these people we're especially her, she is not a big, which is so interesting that she's the one who just like, was like, okay, I can uproot my entire life and move down here.'cause I, you know, you wanted something different for your life. But I'm not a huge risk taker either. But especially not you. No. Especially, no, definitely not. But I'm just like

Speaker 2: 15:21

I know when you guys saw each other it was like love at first sight, but what did each of you actually feel when you saw each other besides love at first sight? Like, did you wanna throw up, did you wanna run the other direction? Did you wanna like run into each other's arms? What was that like?

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I don't know. I think you were more nervous. Like I, I was just like, again, I'm a very, I was very nervous. I was very direct. I'm just like, I'm doing this. I'm coming. You weren't nervous though. I was nervous, but not like, even when you called me and you're like, she call she's like, okay, I'm on my way. And then she call, I was waiting and she called and she's like, Hey, I'm here. I can't open the doors. You know, those like the automatic doors in the ho We met at a hotel, which that's not sketchy. That's not like great idea to meet this person you've never met. You know, you go into the doors to the entryway and then there's like a vestibule and then there's the other doors. But they wouldn't open and no one was Yeah, they were like, when I was though. I've never had that happen before. Yeah. I first walked in to check in and I'm like, great. They're doing construction. This looks. Terrible. I'm like, I'm trying to impress this girl. So she calls me and she's like, I'm in the vestibule. I can't get in. I'm like, what? And I still wasn't nervous. And she's like, no, I'm stuck. I can't open the doors. Yeah. So I'm like, all right, I'll be right down. So I come down and I walk over and I see her and like, my heart stops like dead. I'm like, oh my God. Oh my God. And so I'm just like, I'm looking around, there's like construction people, but no one from the hotel. So I just literally grabbed the doors and pry them open. And I'm like, that's first impression. Yeah. And also like, and we've joked about this many times before, but she doesn't know how to take a, like a good picture of herself. No. Like a good selfie. So on her profile on Bumble, I could you know, when you can kind of tell like, oh, this person has this color, but like, she cannot take a picture of herself to, to save her life. So I was not sure what exactly. I looked what to picture or what to expect. I know. And now saying this, like, why didn't we FaceTime? Like that wasn't, it wasn't even brought up. I mean, this was 2023. It's not like, it was like, I know it wasn't like, I know there was FaceTime. There was FaceTime, but we didn't, but I remember, I was like, I was really stunned in a good way when I saw her, because first of all, I, my mind goes to worst case scenario and I was like, oh my gosh, what if, you know, I'm not attracted to her when I see her. Like I don't wanna hurt her feelings and not all the above. But I was like, oh my gosh, she's gorgeous. I was like, oh my gosh. So I was surprised, but I literally, I think I blacked out because I was so nervous. Like, we don't remember. I remember like that first couple days that you visited, but then I don't remember the next time. It's like, no, like, and then I, yeah, I had to leave. I had nervous go back to work. But literally, like, we spent that, like, she was in a show at the time, which was probably good because I got there, she had to go to rehearsal, then she came back and we literally just talked all night. The next day, you know, she had to go to rehearsal. I drove around the town. I'm like, oh my God, it's so cute. And then, you know, we went like on our basically first date that Saturday night. Yeah. But we went downtown, like she drove me through the downtown. Yeah. I'm just like, I was like, it was gorgeous. It was beautiful. But yeah. And then you had to leave on Monday and then I had to leave on Monday to go back to work. And I'm like, okay. So I'm telling you, I literally, I gave her one of my rings and I'm just like, I'm coming back. And I literally, we ended up meeting a friend of hers that was in the show. Sunday after brunch and, you know, we hung out all afternoon and she had got up and ran to the bathroom and I looked at her friend, I said, I'm gonna marry this woman. Like, see, she doesn't mess around with that. Yeah. She, I know, like, I've never been with somebody who's very, just straight to the point. She was like, this is, and why, you know? I know. Everything went really fast in our relationship, but then it's like, why, even, why wait, why beat around the bush? Yeah. Like, exactly. But yeah, so I drove back to Mass. I ended up going to lunch with my closest friend and she's just, I like, she called me on the way home and she's like, how'd it go? She's like, I said, it was perfect. I said, there wasn't, I mean, we're uncomfortable'cause we're so nervous, but I'm like, there was nothing uncomfortable. Everything. Like I, we just talked. And talked and talked and I'm like, she's like, so what now? I said I'm going back. And I said I'm honestly going to pick up my life and move there. I know. It's crazy.

Speaker 2: 19:43

Oh wow. Oh, and how did that feel, Olivia, knowing that this person was like head over heels for you that fast? Were you like flattered, scared?

Olivia: 19:56

That's good question. I was excited. I was very excited and it, like, I, like, I really think a lot of this was a blur for me because again, I was newly realizing that I was gay. And I just, my boyfriend and I had literally just woken up like a few months before this person is gonna move here to be with me, and then we're gonna move in together. I mean, but I never had that thought, like, oh, maybe I shouldn't do this. Like, I never, no, I didn't either. I didn't have that because basically we said to each other, it's like we're literally moving in with a stranger. Like, literally like now thinking back, I'm like, that's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. But we didn't really know so that nothing felt wrong, but it didn't feel bad, like at all. Like I never second guessed anything. I never said, what the hell are you doing? Like, I know, and that's who I am. That's like to my core. Yeah. I overthink everything. I doubt or like, like, oh, maybe I shouldn't do this, or I need to prepare more, or, yeah. With this, I should do this first. It wasn't even a question. Yeah. It was literally this is where we're going and I don't see any other I know. And no one's, no one said, like, no one was like, oh, did someone anyone say to you like, you shouldn't do that. I know. No. Like, I literally, what the hell? I know. Like, I, you know, I talked to my friend and I'm just like, I'm head over heels in love with her. Like, I can't not be with her. And this and why, like, prolong relationship. We don't want a long relationship. So I'm just like, I have the ability to literally pick up and just move. And that's packed up my. Subaru. It's a Subaru. It's a Subaru. Of course, she's got a Subaru packed it. Yeah. But like, like

Speaker 3: 21:37

Of course.

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the I used to walk with my very close friend from work and you know, I just said to her, I said, I remember walking and I just said, Hey, I met somebody and I'm picking, I'm moving to Maryland. And she was like, like crying. The two of us are crying and I'm just like I said, I know. I said I'm like, I don't have a, like, it's, I, it's not a choice. I have to be with her and.

Quincy: 22:05

So did you guys, did you know that you always wanted to like, I mean, you did say, sorry, Kelly, that you had like kind of sworn off relationships for like 12 years or what have you. But did you ultimately, in your mind, know that you wanted to be with another person for like

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No, it really wasn't like,'cause I said, you know, I went on a couple of these dating apps. I went on a couple, and I'm like, even when I'm going on, then I'm like, I'm not going on a date with anyone. I'm not doing this. This is, that is not in my wheelhouse. And did you think like, oh, I'm gonna get married to someone today? No. Okay. No, I'm just like, I'll try this. I'll see what happens. And like I said, it was like two, two dates and it was nothing. And I'm just like, eh. And I'm like so then I signed up for Bumble, but it wasn't in my head that I'm going to get married again. It wasn't in my thought process whatsoever. She happened. I like, that's why I said again, I don't believe in fate, but why did this happen after such a long time of, you know, just being on my own. Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 2: 23:04

did you always wanna get married and like

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no. It's so funny'cause she is like, I know I never did. She's like a hopeless romantic. Like she used to love to watch romcom. That's why I'm surprised when she asked you about that, that you didn't like dream about. No. But maybe after your older relationship. I, that's, yeah, that's like, that's the, I wanted to be in love and like in a movie, you know, I never did, said Harry met Sally or whatever, but Yeah. But then after, I'm just saying I never did. Yeah. No, you were never. No, I never, and I was that kid growing up. I never like. Dreamed about now I know why I didn't dream about a man, but like, I didn't dream like, like, oh my gosh, when I get married and I have kids and like, it just never crossed my mind really. And even when, like, my sister's five years younger than me, so we would play like, you know, I'm, you know, we would make up characters and she would always be a woman with like five kids and a husband. And I would be like the single friend. Like even when I was like 10 years old, like I just never pictured that. And I was always just very, like, I was an actor, like I was a theater major. That was my path. I did that for a very long time. And to do that, you have to be very like, what is it called? Like just narrow, not narrow-minded, that's not the word. Single-minded on your goal. So I was always like, I'm gonna be doing this. My career comes first for me, always. I'm gonna live alone in an apartment where I lived in New York City and this is gonna be my life, but I really like never pictured. Being with somebody, which is also why it's crazy. Like I, I never pictured being married, even when I was with like Serious Boy, you know, a couple serious boyfriends in the past. I was never that girl who was like, oh, I wonder when he's gonna propose to me. I don't know. Looking back, it's crazy. Knowing now what I know about myself is that I wasn't actually into that in the first place. But no, I never pictured, I'm never pictured having kids. I mean, neither one of us wants kids anyway, but like, I never pictured that, I never thought about having a family or getting married, especially like that. I don't know why. It just never occurred. Never occurred to me.

Speaker 2: 25:01

Wow. That's so interesting because I feel like for myself, even though knowing since I was like 10 that I was the word gay, lesbian, whatever you want to use the one thing I knew for

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Wow.

Speaker 2: 25:13

wanted to have kids and breastfeed them. Like that was for some reason

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day one. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:18

I knew I wanted, I don't know

Speaker 3: 25:20

how I thought.

Speaker 2: 25:22

Yeah, I don't know how I thought I was going to have a partner or whatever. I just assumed that whoever partner I end up with, I'm having kids and I'm like, breastfeeding. And that part of it came true. But it's just weird how as a little kid when you go back and you sort of dissect those desires, dreams, thoughts about what's coming up, like the things that like stick with you. And yours was like, you know, the New York thing and it's. But at what point, because we have to talk about this because it's such a huge part of what you guys talk about on your TikTok and your Instagram with like a hundred thousand followers and who knows how many comments, good and bad, sadly you have been there. But on those assumptions, because I've been there, I've mostly dated women younger than myself, and of course I've dated men older than myself and one woman older than myself. When I was with her, we would get sort of the same you know, assumptions between us and we weren't that much farther apart, but sometimes I could look really young, but my girlfriends tended to be, you know, eight, 10 years and a little bit more younger than I was. So I would often get that, and it the first thing I thought about was, why do you think I look so old? You know, and that was like that. And that would piss me off the most, like, what makes you think I'm that old, you know, kind of thing. And I would, you know, so then I would like chuckle back. Yeah. I had her when I was 12, you know, which was impactful that I had her when I was 12.'cause we weren't that far apart. But tell us more about that. And how has your response evolved over the last couple of years? What was it ticking you off? Was it making you embarrassed to like, almost second

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think it offended her a lot. I mean, she's the older one, so of course when people say, are you kissing your grandma? She's like, I don't look like, I was like, I don't kiss my grandma like that. But I think it bothered you. It did more than it ever did me the be Yeah. In the beginning it really bothered me. I'm just like, I never second guessed anything, but I'm just like, really? And then it just gets to the point of, okay, can you come up with something new?'cause yeah, it come up with something else. This is old. Like it's really old. The grandma thing's still'cause why grandma? Yeah. I'm like, like I don't anything else. But yeah, I mean, it doesn't bother. And literally like, you know, we talk about it on TikTok and Instagram and everything, but like, in real life, like our day to day, like, we don't discuss our age gap, you know, unless it's with me, with my, you know, one finger text, texting. But like, we don't get like, where we live. It's so people are, it's a liberal area. Yeah. So like, nobody questions us, you know? No. The only time that like in person we've been confronted was when we went back to Massachusetts. And I went into two stores that I had always gone into alone, so no one saw me with anyone else. So the first one, the guy's like, oh, is this your daughter? And I my heart dropped, and I'm like, and he goes, I said, no, it's not. And he goes, oh my God. I, he was, yeah. So he was very apologetic, so offended. And we left there and I'm like, are you kidding me? You are. Yeah. And then literally the next door we went to, five minutes later, the same thing happened. She goes, oh, is that your daughter? I'm like, I said, no, this is my wife. But again, it doesn't, but it's not like we go out in public and people are like, oh, is this your daughter? Yeah. Like, it doesn't really, it ne it never happens. Like in, and I've said this before, I'm like, if they're thinking about it, at least they don't say it to us. Yeah. If they're, yeah. But I think it has, it's. It really doesn't, it's never really bothered me because I don't know, again, I'm gonna say when I was being at the in theater and being an actor, like, or being a performer of any kind, putting yourself out there, you have to have a really thick skin for a lot of negativity. So I've always had that, but it is different when it's like, you know, constant like, oh, why are you kissing your mom? Or, yeah. And you're like how do you know what my mom looks like? Yes. What the heck? I'm like, okay. Like, and God forbid I'm gonna, I'm gonna reveal that my mom has blonde hair. Which she was like, don't let them find out about that, because they have similar hair color. But I'm like, this doesn't no bother us anymore. And like Kelly said, at this point, it's like, just find something else. Like yeah. If you're gonna be mean, then get something, get a better, get better material insult than, yeah, like you have mommy issues or you must not have a good relationship with your mom. Like I get that a lot too. Oh yeah. Like.

Speaker 2: 29:38

And on that note, it makes, it reminds me of women and daddy issues, right? Women and things like this. So when we're talking about that, right? As lesbians and I claim lesbians. I feel you guys claim more queerness than you do lesbian, but I'm very much I wanna identify as lesbian.'cause to me, having that label, I'm very proud of it. It's as I'm as proud to say I'm a lesbian, as I am to say I'm a mom, as I am to say I'm a woman, as I am to say I'm Native American,

`: 30:08

We do say like our profile, it does say like

Speaker 2: 30:10

You know, all of those sorts of

`: 30:11

We always say lesbians. Yes. Also to normalize, like you said, same thing.

Speaker 2: 30:15

yeah, same thing. But So when you're looking at the daddy issues with women and mommy issues with lesbians, do you think that, or do you see similarities in your mom, in your partner, like you would in, like you were dating guys with your father? If you have a

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your mom and me? No. God no. Her parents are like these, like, what are they? Like salt of the earth, like, yeah. Boston accent. Like, like married for 50 something years, you know, really nice people. So yeah no. And not with, yeah, no I'm very similar to my own mom. Yeah. In my personality, I don't see, no. Yeah. And also I think it's interesting with com, you know, thinking about women with men and women with women is another thing that people criticize for us a lot for is that Kelly likes to do acts of service for me. That's just her. I know. It's, that's just her love language. Yeah, like opening card doors, but she just likes to do that. It's not because I make her do it, but people will be like what do you do for her kind of thing? Yeah, but I don't think anyone would say that to a straight couple if they saw, you know, the man in the relationship when opening the door or like carrying some, carrying the groceries in. But we do get that when Kelly does those things. Yeah. And especially because she's always the one filming, so I like never take videos or anything. She's like, that's her niche. Like that's, yeah, that's what I do All the, so it's always me doing stuff, but it's because she's filming so they don't see the side, they don't see the other side of what she does for me. But I think it is interesting in terms of showing the differences between what people will accept it, seeing what they accept, seeing in straight relationships versus, versus gay. Because in a straight relationship, if you saw a woman. And a man and the TikTok said all the chivalrous things my husband does for me, and it's like a montage of him doing it. I don't think you would get any comments of saying like, what do you do for him? No, exactly. You know what I mean? But it's for us if I've, you know, and it's always like, you know, I tongue in cheek video of like, oh, Mary a lesbian, if you want things to get done. And like, I made some silly thing like that, and that went pretty viral and people were like you better do some stuff for her. Or What do you do? Or do you know what I mean? It's just a very different Yeah. Yes. People take it very seriously. I was like, I'm just kind of making a joke. But, and we've had to like, make videos saying

Speaker 3: 32:49

Yeah, I joke.

`: 32:50

like, I don't know. I do things for her, but people have different love languages and Right. Exactly. It's just, you wouldn't say that to a straight couple. No, I don't think, no, I, no you wouldn't. They'd be like, oh my God, you're so lucky. Your husband mos the lawn or Right. I don't know, but it's very interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:06

And that's so funny because when I was married to my husband, I did everything. Like he went to work, but I did everything at the house. Like it did not matter what was broken, what needed fixed, basically. I was either got the person and they were to fix it if we couldn't. But I was mowing the lawn. I was meeting contractors, like I was doing all of those things. And then so when we broke up, it was the first time I had lived alone, right? Because I literally went from meeting him, I mean from graduating from high school, starting work, going to school, part-time, meeting him, moving in with him, and then getting married and having kids. And so I never had lived alone before. So I thought, you know, and my mom was pretty handy. Both my parents worked the whole time I was growing up. So I didn't grow up with a stay at home mom. So I just knew that like, and my dad was a firefighter, so when he wasn't home for, you know, or was out on big fires or whatever, if things happened at the house, like she had to deal with it. And I don't ever remember what those things were, but obviously it made some sort of impression on me. But but I do feel like people continually still set up the masculine and the

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What?

Quincy: 34:14

like that instead of like, just, what are you good know, this is what I'm good at. Like, I love provide of service, but I also want acts of service. Don't buy me anything. Do not buy me anything and do not tell me anything because unless I see it with

`: 34:28

Yeah, also true. It's, that's a good point because it is just,

Speaker 2: 34:32

Yeah.

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she's good at those handy things, like, I am the least handy or like domestic. Per, like, I don't, she grew up like you. Like, you like she, yeah. I was just gonna say like, my parents were the same way. Like they both worked outside the home. Very handy, but very handy. You know, my, my dad made sure I knew, like, he taught me how to change the oil in the car. He taught, like fixing the drain, you know, the, yeah. Like all the trash. Yeah. Like, but like, even like here, I've called, I called for maintenance one time, and then he came and I had like two things and he's like, and he's like, oh, there was a problem with your sink. I said, oh, no I actually took care of that. He's like, oh, you did? I said, yeah, my dad showed me how to do it, so I know. He's like, that's really smart. Like,'cause you don't have to call a plumber. So like, but that's it too. Like, she knows how to do those things. Yeah. My both, you know, both my parents, my mom and dad, like both very handy, you know, just, yeah. And just taught me, so it's just like, it's just instilled in me. Like I, it's just there. So it's not like, yeah, people will say like, oh Kelly's pretty manly. I'm like. Really? Okay. Like, manly equals her handy grilling Yeah. Or something, you know.

Speaker 2: 35:40

Or that only men do chores. Is that what they're saying?

`: 35:43

yeah. It's usually the woman doing everything. I dunno why that turned into that, but Yeah. You're so Right.

Speaker 2: 35:50

Yeah. I mean, in my gay friend relationships, obviously, you know, whoever cooks, et cetera, and you know, and they end up calling the, they were like, we dunno how to fix the sink. You know, so they're the ones calling the plumber or whatever. And I'm like, you guys, you should have just called me, you know, I can pretty much fix anything. Why did you

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Yeah.

Speaker 2: 36:07

ripping you off, you know? Yeah. That's, it's so funny. There's a couple of other things I wanted to go back into, the mommy part of this and the age gap. At what point did you guys decide this is something that we need to have a TikTok and an Instagram? I don't have TikTok, so I know nothing about it. Other than that. To me it feels like Instagram, but I think Instagram's a little bit pure for whatever naive reason that I do feel like it is. But what made you go, oh my gosh, we've got to start recording

Olivia: 36:39

so last summer, so the summer 2024, it was I had just started at this school that I work at now, and it was my first summer being off because every other job I've had was in some sort of school or like preschool where we went work through the summer. So I was like, I need, you know, something to do. And I very much always need a creative outlet. Like, I'm like, that's just, I'm an artistic person, so I'm a performer by nature. I needed something to do that was fun for me. And so I just started making like some like. Silly videos just for fun. And then I don't remember what was the turning point, but I was like, you know what, it would be interesting for me to put Kelly in a video. Yeah.'cause I like never was on you know, social media like, I literally just found TikTok months before I met her. So I was like, this could be fun. And also someone else was asking us about like, have we noticed that there's, I don't know if, I don't really wanna say it's a trend'cause that's not what I'm the word I'm trying to say. Yeah. But like, age gap lesbians are around on TikTok. Like there's at least maybe like four couples that I could name or that we've seen. And that's their thing is showcasing their relationship as an age gap lesbian. So I had seen a couple of them and it wasn't like, I was like, oh, I wanna gain a lot of followers and I wanna, it was just kind of, I thought it'd be interesting to. Share our story with people, because I felt like it was unique, especially with me coming out later in life and her not being with anyone for like 12 years. And then we happened to meet and we moved in together and and I was like, let's just make some videos about it. And it really, like, it took off pretty quickly and what was very striking about it and what we still is probably one of our favorite things about having that sort of platform is that people have reached out to us, like young people who are trying to come out to their parents or people who are in similar situations. They're like, oh my gosh, I was married to a man for 30 years and then I met my wife. Just people relating to us is what kept us. Continue, like, like continuing. And I think it, our thing is too, we had, we're just such a positive vibe. And I feel that people feel very safe like reaching out to us and talking to us. Like Yeah. Pe like people will reach out to us more. Like we don't, what I don't for advice, I'm like, I'm not qualified to give you that advice, but I appreciate that you feel comfortable. Comfortable. Yeah. Asking us about that. And I think another thing that is good about what we're doing is it's good to see that like lesbian couples are just Couples too. Couples. Yeah. Not just doesn't have to be the lesbian, it doesn't have to be, we're a lesbian. We're just a normal couple. Especially in this day and age with everything that's going on in the country. And I think it's good to see that we're just a couple at the end of the day. Yeah, exactly.

Quincy: 39:34

So in other relationships, how has this relationship been like categorically different than any other Aside from that, it's two women, right? Just in general, what Or not deeper than that? What makes this relationship, like everything never

Kelly: 39:54

I mean, it's a good question. Everything. Like, I literally wanna do everything with her. Like, she now, she just went back to school yesterday and I'm sitting she's like, I'm, she's not around. Like, I can't just go hug her. Just, you know, we wanna spend like all our time. Every weekend we're like, okay what are we gonna do? Yeah. Even if it's just grocery shopping, or just errands, it's like, I just want her with me. Yeah, it is that connection of I just, I've never met or been with somebody that I've so related to. Relatable. And just. Makes me feel. Yeah. I've never felt this loved in my entire life, you know, with another person. So I just want this to continue forever and, you know, I know it will. I don't know in my heart, it's not like this is, oh, I was gonna, oh, you're in the honeymoon stage. I'm like, no, we're not. I don't think it works that way for no. Like, we did U-Haul, but we did. Yeah. That's the only thing that's I think obviously, yeah, I was with men before, but like she said, like, I've never been with somebody where it felt like you want to spend all your time with them and not, because like, people will say, oh that's really disturbing that you guys wanna spend all your time together. Like, that shows that you're trauma bonded and all this, that and the other, and all this stuff. I know you wouldn't believe if you're not, you don't see these tiktoks.

Quincy: 41:15

Oh my

Olivia: 41:17

Yeah. You would be like, eyes were big for

Quincy: 41:19

Thank God I'm not on.

Olivia: 41:21

yeah. Yeah, like, we just spending time together. Like, there's no drama surrounding it. It's not like, oh my gosh, yo oh, my boyfriend's working late. Phew.'cause now I get the house to myself. Like, I'm not saying I ever really thought that, but it's just a different type of connection. And I don't know if that's because she's a woman or if it's just because of the person that she is. Yeah. Like even in like my previous marriage, it wasn't like, yeah. It wasn't like I'd never had this connection. Like never. Yeah. And so now that I have it i'm like, thriving on it. Yeah. Like, like this is, yeah. I wanna spend all my time with her. This is my favorite person. Like, this is, yeah. You know, this is end all, be all. We just like to spend time together and we don't wanna Yeah. Yeah.

Quincy: 42:11

That is so sweet. So when you guys are looking at the future, like where do you guys like, obviously because of the age gap, there's a different. Time that one retire versus another one to take social security and retirement and all those sorts of things. So what does that look like? Like how do you manage and how are you planning for the basically 20 year age of

Kelly: 42:33

I mean, do you think about I don't, she's been at her job for, yeah, I've been How many, like 33 years? 34 years. 34 years. And yeah, like I, I just look at my pa My dad retired earlier just'cause the company was closing, you know, there was a buyout. But my mom worked till I think at least 72 or 73. But I have no plans for retiring. Like, I, that's not even in my wheelhouse. You know? We've, yeah, that's, and even if I did retire, like I would have to do like something part-time. Like I couldn't just. Be at home. Retired. Retired. Yeah. Like doing nothing. Like I have to be active. She's very, yeah. All the time. Very active. But yeah, it's just, you know. Yeah. We basically, our plan for right now is we want to move into a different apartment with like an extra room. Just for my office. Yeah. Just more space, like space. We're in apartment right now, but just more space. But, you know, we're in an beautiful apartment. We live in a complex where there's a gym that I, we walked, it's two minutes from our house. Yeah. Like, we have all the stuff that we, the pool, you know, gorgeous pool. Like, I don't want, I've had a house before. We've talked about this. It's like, it's so much upkeep, you know? I don't wanna be mowing the lawn or doing stuff on the weekends. I wanna be hanging out with you, not doing housework, you know? Yeah. So we just, we're happy here. Yeah. And I think, you know, people will say like, what are your plans for the future? Like, we're pretty low maintenance in a lot of different ways, and we don't really. Need for all. I don't, yeah, and I think that really us being able to like also live in the moment. Like I'm not that type of person to be able to live in the moment. Like that's something I struggle with. But I think that speaks a lot to our relationship that we're just like, you know, we're enjoying what's going on now. Yeah. We would like to get a bigger place. We'd like to, you know, do X, Y, and Z, but we're happy with the way things are. Yeah. Like it, we really don't, it's not like we are world travelers. We're not, we're not looking to go to Italy, you know, next. It would be nice. It would be nice. Oh yeah. Don't give yourself, I'm not, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say no, but it's like, it's not like we don't need those things to survive. We went to Cape May for a few days, this for the summer, and then we went to Rehoboth for a week. You know, we've been in, you know, in the last couple years we've gone to Provincetown. I was going to Provincetown for like 25 years and she came for the last two years and we loved it. But it's such. It's so far now, you know, it's, yeah. Like, but yeah, we, you know, eventually we'll go back, but like, we like summer. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, it sounds boring. Like I'm like, at the end of the day we're not that we don't fancy, no, we're not fancy. I don't know at all. I dunno how to describe it. I, you know, like, I

Quincy: 45:14

You don't have to be fancy, but yeah. So based on what's going on right now with possibly overturning marriage and all those kinds of things, what sorts of things are you guys prepping for now to, because there isn't kids and isn't real estate, ties and things like that. What kinds of things are you guys doing prep for your ability to take care of each other? If one of you gets hurt and injured in the hospital, and if all of those things get taken

`: 45:43

we need to do the, what is

Speaker 2: 45:45

do you guys.

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proxy? Yeah. Those types of things. A will. The will. But yeah, even just all that. Yeah. Just get all of our eggs and ducks in a row. Yeah. But even like we, you know, drive back to Massachusetts to visit my parents. Like even if something happened, like we have to drive through Pennsylvania, that's a long state. It's a long, God forbid something happened. We have to like carry all of our It's paperwork. Yeah. It's very crazy to think that you have to carry, you'll have to like, we would have to carry paperwork around to, to prove that we're married. Yeah. Which is a scary thought. And it's like, another reason why I think is these days it's important to show like healthy gay relationships, lesbian relationships, queer relationships. Because people are really, I mean, it's crazy these days. It's very scary to think like within a year that could happen.

Speaker 2: 46:32

Yeah. My little daughter was asking me the other day because I've, I haven't wor off ever getting married again, but I don't know that's something that's in my plans because I was married to her mom, and sadly, that ended for very good and not so good reasons. But at this point, I'm just feeling like it's. It's probably just not in my cards. I'm probably just not one of those kinds of people that can stay married. But if, you know, things come back around and we can get married again, I'm like maybe if I do meet another person again that wants to get married and has the same goals and everything, in their life, because I have a lot of chapters at this point, you know, I've been married twice, once to a man, once to a woman. I have kids. I even have two little grandkids. Like I have a very full life and to come into it, it's big, but if I want you to take care of me or you, me to take care of you. Gosh, for forbid if something happens, because my daughters are 21 years apart, so one's raising her own kids and my other one have just had kids by then if she has children who, how am I going to get someone to be able to be that, you know, person for me I have everything else signed off in my directive and all that kinda stuff. It's really freaky to think that I would have to get married then after that, instead of having the option to get married, like, is it going to be, you must be married or not,

Kelly: 47:58

No, that's really, yeah, it's a very, I know, I mean, I mean even, you know, even when we got married, like we were talking about, it was like the election time, it is like, you know what? We need to solidify this, and you know, we already wanted to, but I'm like, we need to just do this, you know, just before anything happens. Yeah. Which did unfortunately happen, so unfortunately, yeah.

Speaker 2: 48:21

Do you guys think, and you said you know that you have low maintenance and things like that, but do you think that if things continue to unravel at the rate of rapidness that

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Oh, that was a good question. My mom was

Speaker 2: 48:32

to leave the country?

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us, she was like, have you guys, like, we'd hate to see you guys move away, but like, have you looked into moving to Canada? Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's just it sounds so insane, but crazier things have happened and so it's something we actually do have to think about. Yeah, we're very lucky that we live where we live, but still, you know, I don't know, like, yeah, Maryland is a blue state and you know, but like what? We're just gonna stay in Maryland. I know. Like, yeah. You know what I mean? Like you like, I don't know. Yeah. I would look into it. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. For sure. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:08

Yeah. As liberal as California is, you know, there's definitely huge pockets of redness around us. And it still scares me, but I looked the first time this person was elected president and it was very difficult for me at my age to have a dependent, because a lot of countries, no matter what, I don't even think if I showed up with$50 million, they'd be like, yeah, you can live here because I am supposedly in their social services range, but then so is my child. So they're not wanting even that sort of balance or imbalance of. Relationships, if you will, even though she's my child. So I don't even know what I would do. Like honestly, I don't know at this point what countries would take us, but I don't want her to see me walk down the street and someone to identify me and start, you know, beating the crap out of me because I'm getting, you know, like I wanna protect her from those things. And then you think what countries are still like, loving on gay people that have good healthcare, that have good schools? You know, it's just, who would've known when I got pregnant with her 13 years ago that this is what I would have to think about, you know? It's absolutely insane. So what are like some final things that you guys really want? Your viewers to know the community at large, to know people that hopefully don't vote red again. You want them to know about what it's like to be, an age gap relationship, lesbian relationship, two professionals, non-child bearing people in this world.

Kelly: 50:47

Yeah. I mean, we, I just, I always back to like the positive aspect of everything that we do. Like where we create a safe space. People are, feel very free to talk to us and to approach us. And I just like, that's always been my vibe. It's is positivity, but I think both of us bring that together. But yeah, we just wanna be approachable and be like, yeah, you can talk to us about stuff. Yeah. You know, we're not, you know, therapists, but, you know, just to have that open, safe space. Yeah. And I think for me, I was always somebody, like, I was always, I never felt like I fit in with anybody. I never felt like I belonged in any sort of group at all. And this doesn't even have to do with being gay. It's just like, as a person, like I've always, I was always very an introvert. I was always very much to myself and I was like, there's something wrong with me. Like, I am not like everybody else. And I think that I just want people to know, especially like I suffer from anxiety and depression, like it does eventually get better. And I know that is a very cliche thing to say, but I think for a lot of young people, like we have some, like teenagers and stuff who, who do follow us and they're very loyal in like our comments and they're like, oh my gosh, you know, this makes me feel so much better about how things are gonna go. And that makes me like so happy because like, that's what I would've needed somebody to show me.

Speaker 2: 52:13

Yes.

`: 52:14

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 52:15

Yes. Oh my gosh. That's so beautiful.

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I mean

Speaker 2: 52:19

So beautiful. Kelly.

`: 52:20

I just to have a safe space for people. Yeah. Like, you know, it's like our, you know, gen X and just like, yeah. Growing up the eighties and nineties and it wasn't, it really accepted, wasn't talked about. You know, and then I'm just like, oh, just, I guess I'm gonna be back in the closet. But you know, just, yeah, just finally meeting you and just, yeah, knowing that this amazing person loves me as much as she does, and it's just, it's mind boggling for me. And we've had a, like there was one person on our TikTok that just occurred to me who would con consistently I don't know if it's a man or a woman, they didn't have like a picture of their face and they had some just random name screening and they would always say rude things every time. It would be like, oh, that's your mom, or just something rude. And then eventually, like a couple weeks ago, I think I told you, I was like, that person, they commented, they said, wow, I can actually see your guys' relationship now. Like, this is actually growing on me. I was like that means we're actually making a difference. And maybe people are seeing lesbian relationships, gay

Speaker 3: 53:24

Yes.

`: 53:24

Just as relationships too. Because there's such this we're gonna, you know, marriage, people will say marriage is between a man and a woman, and Adam and Steve and all the stuff that they like to tell us. Yeah, that tale is old as time, whatever. But I don't know if we can just show people that we're just normal people, regular people, I don't know. Not that if you're gay, you're not normal or a regular person, but it's a relationship. Like we don't, it's be, and it's also because I think a lot of the time when people think about gay people, they only think of how they have sex. Yeah. Just to be honest. Like, do you know what I mean? They're thinking, oh my gosh, that, oh I don't wanna think about what you guys are doing. Like, don't put it in my face. We don't, I don't wanna know what y'all are doing either. But I think it's just helpful for people to just see us knowing grocery shopping, to get, like having a picnic going. To get gas at the store. I don't know. Yeah. Like just normal. Just showing that we're, we just do what everyone else does everyday things. Yeah. So I think that's also, besides having people feel that sense of inclusion like that and belonging and like you're not alone. And it's also helped us, and especially me, because I'll have people say, I've had such a similar experience to you coming out later in life. And I'm like, oh my gosh, that feels really good to know that it's not just me and there's other people who have that sense of comradery, but I think especially today, just showing that we're just married and happy, we're like, we're not. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 55:01

Yeah.

`: 55:02

that big a deal. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 55:04

Yeah. I love how you said that you feel that, that relationships aren't just about how you have sex or don't have sex, right? Because. It there's so much more layers to sex than just penetration. And I think people think that sex is penetration and it is not. And so when you're in public, especially you because you're a teacher, Olivia, do you find yourselves not being as romantic with each other or kissing or holding hands or, you know, tapping each other on the butt? Because I'm super demonstrative and I have to pull back because like maybe not everyone wants to see this, which I'm sure they don't. But to me it's natural, it's normal. It feels good for me to be not in your face about it, but like, this is my partner and I love and adore her. And yes, I'm gonna open the door and yes, this, that, and I'm gonna kiss her like this right now. But not like tongue down your throat making out with you kind of thing. But you know, in a very obvious way that I'm highly attracted to and I wanna show that. So how do you

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again that we live where we live because we never, we're not like, Ooh, better tone it down, down, tone it down. Like, I mean, she'll like, hold my hand or like, yeah, we're walking down the street or put her arm around each other or something. But I mean, we definitely do, yeah, still do that in public. Oh yeah, for sure. But we had gone to a different town a couple weeks ago for Pride and just the vibe of the town. Like we not, the pride event is not like, not the pride event itself, but like, we're walking around the town and like I said, don't feel bad. I'm not gonna hold your hand because I don't feel it's safe here. So like I can rec Yeah, she is really good for that too. Recognize it like we've gone place over like. Like, we went, we were gonna go to this bowling alley. It was like, oh, yeah. It was like, kind of in the woodsy time, there were a couple flags of the elected president. Yes. And I just said, I said, yeah, we're not gonna be safe if we go in here. So I, I'm like, we, so there are times where we, yeah, we, but it's not like, I mean, it's not like downtown it's not like where we live. It's like if we go like, like outside a more rural type of Yeah. Area. But yeah, no, we don't really, no. But like I don't feel any. Yeah. But I think it is because people, and you know, we've had that experience where we've gone out to like, we're sitting at a bar and her arm is around me, and then some guy comes over and is like, oh, I just have to say that you guys are very atra. Like, just some weird type of comment because they're thinking about sex. Yeah. And that's, and as a teacher, I've, I mean, I've seen this type of thing happen where, and again, my school, we celebrate Black History Month, the women's history month, even pride by, you know, an elementary school level saying like, everyone is different. People can marry who they wanna marry. In a third grade classroom, a mom who happened to be a gay mom came in and read an age appropriate book to the third grade class about the pride flag. And it was the kid's book. And a mom, another mom in the class got very angry and felt like, why are you shoving this sexuality down my child's throat? And like, she's too young to know about that. And I thought that was very interesting because the book was, it had nothing to do with sex whatsoever. It was about the pride flag. But I was like, that is so telling, because what she got out of her reading this very innocent book about being yourself and being proud to be yourself, she automatically went to the sexual component, which of which there was none. So I was like, that's because it's only about sex to people who. Don't like gay people, I guess. They're just like, oh, how does that work?

Speaker 2: 58:34

Yeah. And since when is having ha, since when is sex with a

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That's what I have heard about.

Speaker 2: 58:40

heard that this is a new fetish, but maybe it's like I might, you shouldn't say to her, is there something we don't know in the gay community that sex

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I was like, it's so

Speaker 2: 58:50

now?

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It's so funny. And I've seen other creators. I saw a lesbian on TikTok the other day saying she had been with men before and now she's with a woman. I didn't tell you this. And she's like, how come now? My mom is, oh, I don't wanna go in your bathroom. You might have some toys in there and I don't wanna know what you're doing. Yes. And I commented, I said, it's because now that you're with a woman, all she can think about is she doesn't really get how you guys are doing it, or she only knows, people only sometimes know what they've seen in. So she's only thinking about that. And it wasn't an issue when she was with men, but now the mom is so concerned about, oh, I don't wanna know about that.

Speaker 2: 59:27

Because she probably thinks that because she

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the thing Yeah. Yes. Exactly.

Speaker 2: 59:31

because she had the,

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Yeah.

Speaker 2: 59:34

yeah. Which we all know like what percentage of women actually have a big this with a man, like hardly any. And I keep even saying that to my middle schooler and we don't see that many things. But when I do see something, I'm like, that's not even real. That's just not real. Because it is so few and far between that can happen and you know, it at least

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it's all comes down to

Speaker 2: 1:00:03

with it or whatever. But yeah,

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Understand how that, I'm like, I don't wanna picture, I. Another lesbian couple, straight couple gay. I just don't, that's none of my business and I really don't wanna picture you guys doing that. Yeah, I don't know. Like I don't worry about us. Don't worry about it. People are very, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:00:23

Yeah. Yeah. Don't worry about us. So we come to a close, I just have a, like a future question but this one is a little bit different. So 50 years from now, someone is going to be researching gay relationships via social media, right? So as they go back through your TikTok and your Instagram and they're studying all of these reels and posts and comments and things like that. What truth about queer love do you hope they see in your age gap from.

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Whoa, you have so many good questions. I know. Just that it's the truth. Like Yeah, I was gonna say that it's real, that it's real. This isn't just something in passing or, you know, someone's phase or Yeah. A phase a fetish. This is real life. This is more than I've ever dreamed of. Like never in my wildest dreams like that we could be this happy. Yeah. And in such a loving, committed relationship. Like that's what I just want people to see and Yeah. The, that it's real. Yeah. We are people who fall in love as well and it's no different than, yeah. Than anybody. Anybody else. Yeah, exactly. It's better sometimes. Yeah. See, it's better. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:01:41

Exactly. I completely 100% agree. I'm so happy to have you guys on Thank you for coming on.

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Yeah. Thank you so.

Speaker 2: 1:01:48

second of hanging out with you guys, honestly.